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(from lissa: I have reposted this in this category just to keep it out of the admin section.)
@ Sunbeam
As you can see (and did read) I did try to get it to go over another venue. But email wasn't an option and most real time chat clients (MSN, Yahoo, ICQ) ARE NOT an option. Considering the person can find out your IP number through them and stalk you even further.
The woman lives about a hundred miles from me and has gone under dozens of aliases and is very good at duping people. (Then again, lets us all hope not many were duped!)
Just as you saw, when someone acts out of attentive malice like "Vigusa"/Pam/pwpg06 (etc) did with Lissa and rrand. You can't exactly ignore it. It didn't allow itself to be ignored.
If you ignore it, they will keep making up bigger and bigger lies about you and eventually (as everyone here is human by nature) people will begin to assume it must be true. Especially if you openly ignore the accusations and insinuations.
It takes two agreeing individual to "take a hike" elsewhere. It just wasn't possible because one person was hell bent on their deceptive task and "keeping it here" and elsewhere.
Had people spoken up about it more and did their research and called "BS" at that person from the get go, when they realized she was openly lying. It would not have ended the way it did or taken as long as it did to become "resolved".
The only reason it was resolved is because it became pretty obvious (beyond any doubt) that "Evil Pam" was lying outright. [there is a reason for that name folks!]
When all of her insidious goals were damaged beyond repair
!) Her post count being seen as irrelevant and/or her time on the forum.
!) Her words being intentionally unmaked as false in front of everyone.
!) Her showing open malice towards anyone who was in her way.
She gave up as everything fell apart. Not for any other reason.
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Do not doubt for a second that she does have other "sockpuppet accounts" waiting in the wings. I know that there is a high likelihood that one day she will be back under another alias and she will pretend not to be connected to anything from her past activity. [The truest definition of a troll]
Its a good thing (and no, I did not suggest it in any way nor have anything to do with it) that Lissa is inspecting the membership and rooting out old and dead accounts.
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Hopefully the incident will serve as extra lessons for those who think that any stranger that appears to have good intentions, actually do not necessarily have good intentions. Some do, some don't. Be descerning and astutely intelligent.
You have to investigate to figure it out if that is the case or not. You can't take what is at face value for being a fact. That is a fact of life and one that is often *ignored* by certain folks in the ufo community at large.
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Anyway, now that I have said my peace, I do want to keep my membership. I visit pretty often.
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@ Those who may not like me nor trust me.
You may not like what I have to share. But at least realize that what I do share is often something that can be tested, observed, experimented on and reported back on. I don't mess with people or hinder their development. There is no end game on my end except what Lissa stated a while ago.
I am only here to share and post information for your consideration. It's up to you to cringe or not cringe everytime you see my name and the posted info within. Just makes sure you cringe for valid reason and not just a whim of the mind or of the chest.
While I may be a "rare zebra with red stripes" or something.
That just means I am not be the average kind of person you will meet in the field of Ufology. Nothing more. Some people don't like me (maybe even hate me) for that reason. Because I don't or won't toe the contactee party line or talk about my experience with ET's like it was some kind of "fantasy" come to life.
I aimed for knowing things as objectively as possible. For finding truth's in the experience that could be shared with others.
---Core symptoms to the phenomena
---Core attributes that will be noticed
---Core processes that can be observed and understood by just about anyone
---Observed procedures
---Expressed teachings of morals and ethics (etc)
And how I feel about them or what think about them.
There is a reason behind every sentence I type and multiple experiences that go behind it to come to that conclusion. All you need to do is ask "why this and that".
It does not mean my assumptions or knowledge are always right. But when you dive in you'll probably see plenty of gem stones that you may take away for free and use it in your own life. And the rest that you may deem to be coals can be thrown away and discarded at your discretion.
Just make sure you look it over carefully and with every critical faculty you were born with. Thats all I will ever ask of anyone.
The woman lives about a hundred miles from me and has gone under dozens of aliases and is very good at duping people. (Then again, lets us all hope not many were duped!)
Just as you saw, when someone acts out of attentive malice like "Vigusa"/Pam/pwpg06 (etc) did with Lissa and rrand. You can't exactly ignore it. It didn't allow itself to be ignored.
If you ignore it, they will keep making up bigger and bigger lies about you and eventually (as everyone here is human by nature) people will begin to assume it must be true. Especially if you openly ignore the accusations and insinuations.
It takes two agreeing individual to "take a hike" elsewhere. It just wasn't possible because one person was hell bent on their deceptive task and "keeping it here" and elsewhere.
Had people spoken up about it more and did their research and called "BS" at that person from the get go, when they realized she was openly lying. It would not have ended the way it did or taken as long as it did to become "resolved".
The only reason it was resolved is because it became pretty obvious (beyond any doubt) that "Evil Pam" was lying outright. [there is a reason for that name folks!]
When all of her insidious goals were damaged beyond repair
!) Her post count being seen as irrelevant and/or her time on the forum.
!) Her words being intentionally unmaked as false in front of everyone.
!) Her showing open malice towards anyone who was in her way.
She gave up as everything fell apart. Not for any other reason.
--------------------------------
Do not doubt for a second that she does have other "sockpuppet accounts" waiting in the wings. I know that there is a high likelihood that one day she will be back under another alias and she will pretend not to be connected to anything from her past activity. [The truest definition of a troll]
Its a good thing (and no, I did not suggest it in any way nor have anything to do with it) that Lissa is inspecting the membership and rooting out old and dead accounts.
--------------------------------
Hopefully the incident will serve as extra lessons for those who think that any stranger that appears to have good intentions, actually do not necessarily have good intentions. Some do, some don't. Be descerning and astutely intelligent.
You have to investigate to figure it out if that is the case or not. You can't take what is at face value for being a fact. That is a fact of life and one that is often *ignored* by certain folks in the ufo community at large.
=============================================
Anyway, now that I have said my peace, I do want to keep my membership. I visit pretty often.
=============================================
@ Those who may not like me nor trust me.
You may not like what I have to share. But at least realize that what I do share is often something that can be tested, observed, experimented on and reported back on. I don't mess with people or hinder their development. There is no end game on my end except what Lissa stated a while ago.
I am only here to share and post information for your consideration. It's up to you to cringe or not cringe everytime you see my name and the posted info within. Just makes sure you cringe for valid reason and not just a whim of the mind or of the chest.
While I may be a "rare zebra with red stripes" or something.
That just means I am not be the average kind of person you will meet in the field of Ufology. Nothing more. Some people don't like me (maybe even hate me) for that reason. Because I don't or won't toe the contactee party line or talk about my experience with ET's like it was some kind of "fantasy" come to life.
I aimed for knowing things as objectively as possible. For finding truth's in the experience that could be shared with others.
---Core symptoms to the phenomena
---Core attributes that will be noticed
---Core processes that can be observed and understood by just about anyone
---Observed procedures
---Expressed teachings of morals and ethics (etc)
And how I feel about them or what think about them.
There is a reason behind every sentence I type and multiple experiences that go behind it to come to that conclusion. All you need to do is ask "why this and that".
It does not mean my assumptions or knowledge are always right. But when you dive in you'll probably see plenty of gem stones that you may take away for free and use it in your own life. And the rest that you may deem to be coals can be thrown away and discarded at your discretion.
Just make sure you look it over carefully and with every critical faculty you were born with. Thats all I will ever ask of anyone.
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