Discourse 1

Good evenig Lissa, i must admit that i had put lyricus in my favorites but i didn't have time to stop and read the discourses. Thank to you , and to this post, and as soon as easter will past- means monday , i will start to read more of them. I find them very profond and very philosophical and as
a good Greek i Loooove philosophie. What part of the disourse you would like to be disussed? I find
the part about change and the last part of the dialogue superb.

Hello again, here is a great video   

I love Abraham :))))

Esther Hicks is awesome too lol

Hi Ametrine, mainly I thought to get an idea of who accepts this discourse as being valid and correct and who doesnt, and if anyone has issue with or questions the validity of any part of it .. that would be a place to start, personally, i find the discourses as a whole, to make more sense than most of the spiritual rhetoric out there..

So maybe we could start with what part if any, of discourse one, do people agree with, or disagree with?

Hi Ametrine, mainly I thought to get an idea of who accepts this discourse as being valid and correct and who doesnt, and if anyone has issue with or questions the validity of any part of it .. that would be a place to start, personally, i find the discourses as a whole, to make more sense than most of the spiritual rhetoric out there..
So maybe we could start with what part if any, of discourse one, do people agree with, or disagree with?

-lissa

Still born even....

(I know you think highly of them, but that is my personal view. I expected alot more from the infamous lyricus. I had seen their name before on the other forum, but I didn't expect this.)

Hello Lissa, Hello Fore999, Hello everyone here, it's a shiny, beautiful day. Lissa your idea is great and Fore999 this is your right to disagree with lyricus and it's nice to disagree. that is the point of the discussion, to exchange point of views! this is what philosophy is about. I would love to read about your point of view. 

Hello Vigussa, I like very much Esther too, just once i disagreed(?????) with there point of you about animals. I am not a fanatic, but i rarely eat meat, and i totally disagree with the way people behave with animals and saying that animals know, and choose to  incarnate, and do it with love for us,  seems dangerous for more bad behaviour from our part. I know that they know(?) but when you speak to so many people you have to be very careful.
Makia!(kisses)  

I agree Lissa's discourse thread is sheer genius. I'd like to know what ideas others members hold dear to their heart and where others come from in their own viewpoint.

Lyricus reminds me of someone who has reached a partial level of psychic activation and higher self knowledge and then settled in at their point in evolution.

In discourse one it goes on to explicitly state that view. Not that I totally disagree with that persons personal conclusion and/or sentiment. But I don't hold to the "inner-god" theory from birth in the same way as alot of other "new age" type of concepts.

When the "teacher" starts teaching that they should do the will of God/divine...I see them as guessing as to what that is. So inherently there are some fundamental differences in thinking between Lyricus and I.

While I agree in small ways, there are tons of small ways I disagree.

Yeah Ametrine I agree with you... It is difficult to deal with too huh?

I love animals... And I wish I could change my ways to being a vegetarian, I am trying hard LOL 

Lissa?

The discourses are very nice but one thing that bothers me is that the way they are presented is as if they were the holders of the only truth and that is dangerous.

I rather leave it to my "gutts" that tell me if something is right or not LOL

I don't know why but I tend to think that we do now what the truth is but we just don't completely remember and the more we hear more ideologies the more we can identify it even if it is by little parts.

I think we need to keep on looking and reading/listening/observing and one day there will be a word, an event, a sound... somthing.. that will triger this knowledge in us and will make us remember.

But with all that is said in those discourses as well as all that I have read in the winmakers website, again I find a new theory or especulation which might or might not be the truth.

I got to judge it too by the degree at which it might be being interpreted by the person delivering the information.

One thing I don't agree with is the way they sell everything there.  It always makes me distrust them.

All you want to get or need to get to help you in the advancement of your "ascension" as per the information from Dr Neruda is contained in a combination of the music, pictures, books etc at the same time so you are forced to buy what they don't give you for free and it is not cheap what so ever.

So in this case I feel it is a hoax with a great drama extracted from many sites with similar information and with the BORG as the evil doers rofl...

Ok.. where to start, .. 

I will start with V's comment about leaving finding the truth to our feelings in our gut..   Why is this a reliable source?  What is the batting average of our gut feelings?

I "feel" like i pick the lucky lotto ticket every week but i havent won so far.. but i can tell you honestly I totally "feel" it.. so my gut feelings are not batting 100... sometimes they are right sometimes they are wrong... so how can we leave the discovery of the truth of our spiritual herritage to such an inaccurate mechanism?   Wouldnt combining our senses to create a fuller picture be a better idea.. combining different sources as well?  Simply leaving it to our gut feelings to me is a cop out.. and I mean no disrespect by that at all.. my example.. my son.. we are teaching him about discernment and learning to tell the difference between feeling his source intution.. and his ego intuiton... this is what happens. "mum.. i am getting a bad feeling that if I sit down now and do my homework something bad is gonna happen"  LOL.. now he really is feeling a bad feeling.. its his fear in doing the homework, fear in not being able to do it.. he definately isnt in this situation conning me.. the feeling is genuine..but its a false genuine.. kind of like the false positives in medicine and science..

so how do we know, that when we are being warned off something by our "feelings", that it isnt just actually our ego's fear of the knowledge it knows we will recieve from the information,  and the knowledge we receive will end up removing more of its power?.. so when we are students and just begining, do we really think that we are able to be that discerning?.. that we know exactly how to tell our false positives from the true positives?  I dont think so.. and those that can without any mistakes.. are not begining students any longer.. they have progressed further in this university of spiritual evolution

So the closing question is again, why are our feelings a 100% reliable source?  What is the batting average of your gut feelings?

To Fore,

Is it that you dont agree with the inner source part of spirituality as a whole concept, or just the way the Lyricus discourse presents it?  I guess I cant formulate any comment without clarifying this first.

As for externally living the god-fragment within, where you said <When the "teacher" starts teaching that they should do the will of God/divine...I see them as guessing as to what that is>  what is it about that that you find to be guessing?  I didnt read any instructions as to what living the god-fragment externally would be exactly, just to seek it and look for it everywhere outside of ourselves. 

To me, that means, in every moment, I look for the magnificence of what I believe the first source to be,  manifested in every day things.. this is about the only instruction to this that I understood.. perhaps i missed something?

See? That exactly what i mean when i say, the more i am getting "old" the less i know and i have reach a point where i say i know one thing, is that i know nothing. When i was in university studying philosophie i had a great teacher. He was an Atheist, mind you with an enormous respect to others opinions. He just told me one day... if elephants had a God do you know how This God Would look like? ...See , he told me , this God would be an enormous elephant...        now depending what kind of elephant it will be, the God would change a little bit. but still it would be an elephant...I will never forget this conversation and seing the world throu others eyes was the first thing i learned from this day.(better say: i think i have learn a little) And you know what.? He was right. I studied all the classicals philosophers from  materialists like descarte to  more spirituals like platon,and young,  all of them have a part of truth... A PART. I see things like a puzzle. We are all part of something bigger...We can't even imagine. Every thing is true and every thing is wrong ...a cosmos full of possibilities.I beleive the 3 of you are right and i don't beleive that because i am swiss and neutral!  i really beleive that all 3 of you have put a finger on important issues.
The question is, What make us who we are? and why? Shall we think about it? or is this a trap?
Why some people see the glass of watter alf empty and other not and why some of them don't see it at all? we can find truth every were. That is the wonder of life. (from my point of you)
Now to survive and to live in this world (or shall i say space-time?) some of us were "obliged"
to find  ways. And each one of us tried very hard to find a place and a meaning to this life... for some psychiatrists i  may be crazy and this a point of view. For my neighbour i may be a witch this is also a point of you,  what i mean with all that is that noone, absolutly no one can see the ALL part. Just fragment of it.
Lissa are you sure we don't have the same son??? You are right  for discernement between Ego and Real intuition, it is really hard (not impossible). But sometimes we have to let it go and trust ourselves.
They are no mistakes.... just experiences wich are unique for every one of us and can't be shared because every one of us has a different path and has to live his own experiences, we can talk about them, share our point of views, reconfort with words, try to help but even if i have live the" same' experience than you inside of me it will be very different. I thing Vigussa is right when she says it's very dangerous to declare things as if they were the one and only truth.

Lissa?  I think that the feeling about chance is not the same as the feeling about spiritual things.

My spiritual life I don't take it as a chance... I feel deep inside of me that there is one truth and I have been finding a few of the links to form the chain. 

Talking about lottery, landing a great job, etc in my perspective lack of interest for me.  however when I hear about spiritual realities my senses, specially those inside of me .. chakras maybe? ... really activate.

Deep inside of me I just know that it is true or not... Like when I was a little girl I knew that what the Cathlic Church was telling me was not true.  I knew my God was all love and compassion and I never feared Him. Despite of all the intents made by the nuns in the school I was to make me feel guilty or fearful, I never did and I actually compelled the most inner believes of these nuns to a point that they endedup leaving the church.

So I trust my God and I trust my inner feelings for they know what the truth is... I just have to remember it.. and I will soon for everyday I get closer to it. 

Beautifully explained Ametrine thank you :))))

I agree that they are not the same things V, but it does come from the same source, we dont have 3 or 4 intuition machines within us, we have two, one is source, one is fear/ego, discernment is learning to tell the difference.  Can I ask you what it is exactly that you react to unfavourably in discourse one?  which part of it?

And I agree with V, Ametrine that was well said. I agree that the more I know, the more I know nothing, however I have to disagree with the many truths theory, there is only one core truth, we have found glimpses of it, we have discovered parts of it, as you said like a jigsaw puzzle, but there is not many truths in my opinion.  Yes there are many paths to discovering the truth, many experiences to finding a piece of the puzzle.. but there is only one puzzle..

As I said in the other post in the question of the week, people are confusing different paths and ways to discover the truth as being 'their truth', this is a confusion that needs to be looked at and corrected before the human race can unite and become one family.. because if there were many different spiritual truths, then we could never have unity, we could not be one family, if we could, we already would be. If we look at the world we can see the evidence of the mistake of believing in many truths.. holy wars, greed, exclusivity and many more horrors that humans put upon other humans in the name of "their Truth".. we need to start searching for The Truth, and that has parts to it.. the truth of our origins spiritually.. the truth of our origins physically etc.  Each one of these parts has only one end puzzle to complete.

There is only one Truth regarding the creation of the universe, many theories, but ultimately only one of them actually happened right?. Which one?  We cant say that the universe was created several different ways, because it wasnt, it was created in one way, then it existed. This is the difference between many paths and many truths.  One truth, many many ways to get to it, with many many wrong turns, right turns, experiences both good and not so good, along the way, but the end result is not different for everyone.  The end result is the same for everyone. To remember and discover where they come from. 

We all come from one place, not many. So how can there be many truths?  In my humble opinion, we all really need to begin to encourage each other to make the distinction between the word truth and experience if we are to ever bring humanity into the same family and start trying to realise that there is one puzzle we are all working on putting together.

Ooooh afterthought lol... what is the best way to keep everyone from uniting, everyone from discovering their origins, what is the best way to stop the evolution or ascension of the soul to our originally planned manifestation?     Confusion!    Keep everyone confused, keep everyone looking for "different truths" and what happens?  We can not unite, we spend our time disagreeing with each other about this truth or that truth and who wins in the end?  Those who want to keep us from the real truth, those who do not want us to put the puzzle together and see the entire beautiful picture...

Consider that please. The greatest way to keep humanity from their destination is to keep them disagreeing and keep them confused. 

As I said earlier, advanced spiritual beings know the difference between many paths and many truths, so perhpas we need to examine the motives of those who propogate the many truths belief system and see why they want to keep us from uniting.

Ooooh afterthought lol... what is the best way to keep everyone from uniting, everyone from discovering their origins, what is the best way to stop the evolution or ascension of the soul to our originally planned manifestation?     Confusion!    Keep everyone confused, keep everyone looking for "different truths" and what happens?  We can not unite, we spend our time disagreeing with each other about this truth or that truth and who wins in the end?  Those who want to keep us from the real truth, those who do not want us to put the puzzle together and see the entire beautiful picture...
Consider that please. The greatest way to keep humanity from their destination is to keep them disagreeing and keep them confused. 
As I said earlier, advanced spiritual beings know the difference between many paths and many truths, so perhpas we need to examine the motives of those who propogate the many truths belief system and see why they want to keep us from uniting.

-lissa

That's one hell of an inspiration. Who is whispering in that ear of yours lately?

I agree in the concept of multiple paths (or angles as my ET contact taught me) of the same truth.

Rather than multiple truth per say.

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The easiest way to keep someone from growing is feeding them dis-information about a goal they want to achieve.

The easy way is simply feeding people false information and keeping them "with it". Half truth's seem to be popular in the UFO community and among many ET's (apparently).

When these people follow through and they get "with it", they dedicate time and resources and amidst the confusion they either get dejected or frustrated. That doesn't stop them from trying to achieve their goal after they recover.

If the individual has any intelligence they will try to determine what they possibly did wrong or what was the cultprit of their last failed effort. I'd propose that this analysis is incomplete and totally informal.

They will eventually consider the true part of the "half-truth" to either be substantially invalid or to commit to significant changes in their proposed understanding of what they should now be thinking is the "new truth" they will (when they are up to it again) chase after.

Sadly along the way I bet alot of people tend to discard real truths in their disappointment and find what sounds real in yet another channeling...rather than what actually is real.

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The FOL seems to ask individuals to override common sense (in my opinion) by dispensing "gut instinct" or "internal reflection" over common critical thinking skills. (by the way, they can "rig" that internal reflection by inducing mental or emotional changes)

Imagine how illogical that sounds for a second....

Using one aspect over others...rather than all parts of you at once.

Disturbing stuff.

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Anyway, Lissa I think this is what alot of people need to weed out the problematic ideas being peddled around.

Discourse.

Maybe over time people will slowly evolve mentally, emotionally and in thought to be able to face their desires and challenges in a coherent and pragmatic way.

Imagine how hard it will be to pull a Con on someone like that?

Nothing has kept me from uniting anyone Lissa.

And I hear them and examine what they say and if my heart gives me a strange feeling like something isn't right here I put that idea aside.

I don't believe either that all the ETs (humanoids like us that come from other planets) know the secrets of cration.

If that was the case many wouldn't need to come here to bargain for anything or trick us into anything.

The ones that see no good out of nothing... The ones that see agendas all over... the ones that are always creating conflict or concerned because someone told them one "truth" and for them that is it... The ones that want to force us to believe into what they believe, those are the ones I distrust.

We all need to wake up and by listening to other people imparting their ideas or knowledge helps lots to wake up, but until I feel completely at ease with any of those ideas I will keep my search going.

If I see a worship group raising from any idea, or a group that creates a doctrine out os it I immediately discard them.

We are to worship God and only God..  That is my believe... Maybe that was the reason why while I was a little kid until now I have never prayed to anyone else but God.. Not even Jesus. I never saw Jesus as my salvation but as a good teacher that was showing me the way to enlightment and oneness with God.  I have never worshipped a Virgin, or a Saint, or any of those.. Only God. Also I have always believed we re-incarnate and taken death as a transition... ALWAYS ... Even though this was never accepted by the catholic church and people were persecuted for it. As well as I have never believed in eternal damnation, or hell and the devil for me has always been us.. no one else.

I believed that to the point that my brother and sisters wouldn't walk at night through the house if I did not accompanied them.  I would go around the house with the lights completely off and I was fine. i would watch a horror movie and never fear darkness.

Ther's got to be a real good reason for doing all that since I had use of reason and I can remember.  Even all my school years were in a Catholic School until I went to the University. My parents were Catholic etc, etc. And I never followed their doctrined.  For me God was more than all they said about him, and one thing I was sure about was the fact that God was all love.

So Just at this point in my life I will not let anyone who longs for power and control dominate me or influence my thoughts about God.

This was never taught to me Lissa... This came with me... a knowledge and a certainty that things were this way.. And everything I have learned since then has been in the same way.

So yes I do trust my inner knowledge for it is my spirit who is talking to me.

What ever is going to happen I will go through it with ease and I will endure it for that was one of the reasons I incarnated this time... That I know for sure.

But I do have a mission that has been revealed to me and I am doing all I can to accomplish it ... that is to teach people that we are not alone for God is always with us and he LOVES us no matter what... Even if we were another Hitler born on earth.

Also I wanted to add. I subscribed to this webste because of Blossom and all of you.

I never did it for the FOL.  Whether the FOL is good or not I would care less.  I am just intrigued by the existance of ETs and their appearance before all of us.

However asking people to unite and love each other and send love around the world I see no evil in that and I don't take that as something completely illogical to ask.

For me people that are always seeing evil in everything have a problem and they need to work on it.

The FOL has never asked for anything else but that... So what is so illogical or so outrageous about what they say or ask?

Also they have never talked about how our government will or should be and who is good or who is bad... never emitting a sentence of judgement anywhere.

Furthermore, the fact that the FOL asks us to trust our gutt's feelings for me has never been illogical... Remember... I have been doing that since I was a little kid and I have done well.

So why would I think they are manipulating me on that?

You all can believe all you wish hun.  You want to believe the FOL is bad/evil/not of trust... ok go for it.  I will listen to them until my "gutts" tell me not to.  As well as I will listen to Mark, Kryon, Abraham (Esther Hicks), David Wilcock, and the many people that talk in Project Camelot etc. 

One more thing friend :) ... When I say people have ther own truths means that maybe they have heard it somewhere or from some enlighted person or directly thorugh their own communications with beings of a higher dimension, but sometimes in the tansmission of the message there is noise and those people might have also misinterpreted the message... There is where my gutt feeling tells me... careful .. that doesn't sound right... see?

Love and peace 

Vigusa   :)))

@ Lissa / Everyone else

http://blossomgoodchild.com/BGchannellings_page5.html

A good example I looked up again, A short clip of misdirection is in the following. I'll highlight and make it more pronounced so that people can see it better.

From channeling "9", before Oct 14th.

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Indeed. We wish to announce that in the coming days we no longer shall tolerate the misconceptions that are being branded around your networks.
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Fore: "Intolerance"...interesting for such a "benevolent" race coming into an inferior one knowing full well what they were expecting to find.

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This may be so Blossom and yet we feel the need to express our dismay at the lack of respect for one another.
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Fore: Judgment of a lower culture.

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We have much concern for how our planned visit shall be received and interpreted. We find it of great importance that it is known that we are of TRUTH and yet there are many that are disputing of this fact.
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Fore: "Of Truth"? What truth?

The truth I believe in or the truth they believe in. They don't specify a truth like they do in other passages. A position of an "agnostic Truth" is what they generally preach.

Yet above they state, "of Truth", meaning they are sure they are of truth rather than being open to what that truth may be.

This is like a guru who says one second that people should abide by their "personal truth" inside them. Then in the next sentence saying they are "of Truth"....implying that they are no longer truth agnostic.

Agnostic is the state of not knowing something. A-Gnostic

Clearly they have an idea of what they believe to be "Truth" but they are hiding it in DoubleSpeak.

DoubleSpeak is when you say something openly in a sly manner, but really mean something else with your words..

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Not in the way that it has been presented. It appears that many more than we anticipated are under the influence of a book that has been contorted to suit the higher-archy of the period of when it was written and re written throughout  your ages.

How we are agog in shock regarding how little one listens to their inner TRUTH and OBEYS the indoctrination of words.
To all those who consider us to be of a lesser Light we have something to say to you.

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Fore: Consider this, they are opposed to the Christian belief system. They associate it with erroneous belief.

Right here they are marginalizing the beliefs of others on this earth in favor of their own. It is not consistent with an entity who is "Truth Agnostic".

Instead they basically say their TRUTH is the RIGHT TRUTH above anothers.

They prove their sentiment in the next passage:

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Within the nation that is known as the Star Nation we know only of acceptance of our fellow beings. Whatever agenda they may have … we acknowledge their place and their part in the Grand DIVINE Scheme. We do not pull apart and rebuke others TRUTHS. We allow for TRUTHS of the individual mind set to be just that.

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Fore: Can you see the DoubleSpeak in action? I underlined it.

The first speak of acceptance of anothers "Truth". The second says of acknowledgment of another "Truth". And how they don't pull apart or refute anothers "Truth".

Yet you can clearly see above they do rebuke and pull apart and even call it a "mis-truth".

Hopefully it is becoming clear what DoubleSpeak means. It's a misdirection with words.

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We ask you to search your souls each and every one of you and listen to the TRUTH it can reveal to you. If you TRULY listen … then you would surely awaken to the fact that what is undeniably a mistruth has been ruling your planet for many time frames of your existence.

IT IS TIME TO BEGIN AT THIS NEW BEGINNING WE BRING IN WITH US. WIPE YOUR SLATES CLEAN… ALL WHO RESIDE UPON YOUR GLORIOUS PLANET EARTH.
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Fore: In other words, they want to be the new "Truth" on the block. But they need you to wipe any "mis-truths" from your brain and start over as them being the new chapter in human history. They have done everything which they said they do not do.

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START AGAIN … THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY WE ARE PRESENTING YOU.

No more shall you weep into the cups of destruction. You shall be presented with an idea that if fully comprehended will be a way out of the quagmire that you have immersed so deeply into.

We come to offer you a way out. A way forward.

A WAY HOME!

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Yes folks, they come to replace your beliefs of your ancestors. They want to be the new king of "TRUTH". Their "TRUTH".

And how do they propose this be done to the unwilling?

By conversion of course. You fine folk are too silly when you listen to your ancestors beliefs. Instead you *must* listen to the strangers from space who employ DoubleSpeak and Half-Truths.

Noooo....No way could the FOL even imply thaaat....right? See below:

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For those who chose to take it, it shall be of great pleasure.For those who KNOW they are to take it … gently now… persuade those who walk the other way to join us. Be not brutal in your insistence. Be of LIGHT HEART and good cheer … then they shall feel the warming of their hearts and be allowed to follow only that which they know of to be welcoming and of TRUE LOVE.

There appears to be much talk of deception and that it shall come from us … how deeply unconnected from the souls TRUTH have many of your world allowed themselves to become?

Dearest souls … how can your own TRUTH lie to you? Ask yourself that when ever you are doubting.
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Fore: The last underline tells you how they believe some "Truths" are not "TRUTH". They are judge jury and convictor. Hardly sounds like the begining doesn't it.

Ask yourself this....

Does this sound like a member of Federation Of Light?

Seriously? Does it sound like they actually do what they claim to do? Do they actually let other cultures bear their OWN TRUTH?

Is it not plain to you when, reading the above, that they hold their Truth above any other not alongside it. <sigh> Con-men from space....

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They ask in the last part...how can your inner truth lie to you?

As if to imply that your inner gut feelings or intuition are "always right".

Lissa pointed out the obvious...Not all gut instincts are correct...some of them are quite a ways off. Otherwise many people would not end up in so many troubling situations. This is reality.

Another thing to consider is how they *stimulate* and *induce* emotions into anyone they are close to. As I have said before, ET's can project their thoughts and emotions at you. They don't necessarily have to feel it either.

They know how to project an emotion without experiencing it. I could tell you how that works but it would take a long in depth discussion and lots of learning about a few hundred topics to fully "enlighten yourself" (pun intended) about ET life.

 Anyway, ET's that can control your percpetions, your feelings, and your mind....yeah, there sounds like there is an incentive for why you should look inside.

They can change your insides on a whim. Even make your forget something.

But then, those who are first-hand experiencers would know that very well.