What do we really know about 'them'

 
>ok so the question is not a new one, we have asked it and made comment on it here before.. but I would like to get deeper into it if that is alright with you.. deeper down into the emotional and spiritual revelations of the question.

<V: You can't put this kind of issue in a tight box. No one should believe.
        Emotional and spiritual revelations of the question will come by working on "knowing oneself", otherwise it will all be based only on theory. When you know yourself, you will know what you "know", which is totally different from what you believe. Your questions and answers will always reflect your state of being, only YOUR state of being. Your/thy/all truth comes from knowing, not believing.
It is a waste of time to pass the ball back and forth with questions about beliefs in this so important matter, this work should be silent and inner. External answers are NOT what your Soul is here for.>
 
 

I appreciate that inner work should be done within oneself, the problem with that is that without external triggers, doing the deep inner work doesnt go deep enough. People need things to trigger their inner reflections and  people in general are far from being in touch with themselves and knowing themselves.. the proof of this is in the comments they make, the emotions that run raw, in the day to day swing of emotions, that is the purpose of these forums, the purpose of connecting with and to other people, we are all mirrors for each other that help to bring out the questions that trigger the deep reflections. 

Nothing is a waste of time, everything teaches us something... everything..

For me, it's because I already know that I'm 'waiting' for someone. And that I am becoming aware of how much I know already, and that it isn't normal to know it, so that what I'm learning now is waking up parts of my mind that I kept asleep.

I also know that before now, before Blossom, I didn't listen to channelers. I still don't pay attention to any besides her. It was out of character for me to find her and to be so drawn in when it's not something I wanted to pay any attention to. And somehow, even though I'd become so petrified by the waking understanding of what ETs were in my life and everyone's life, I could accept these ones and listen to them with not much fear. I don't know if I would have really been able to keep on this path, to face these fears and to face the thing that I've been haunted by since I was really young, if it wasn't for this FOL.

I'm not saying that I trust them entirally. I am still wary and will question everything! I will still love them as I love everything in the world and beyond it. :P But since I found this FOL, I've been healing and now, I feel love again, the capacity to feel it has returned. And I see everything that Blossom sees as I read the words, perhaps not in the same way, but I see it...

I've never had these reactions with any other source. Ever. Infomation gathering is one thing, but to read words and feel the capacity to recover and heal myself, that's entirally different.

The FOL feels fine. They make me feel warm and loved, that everything will be okay, even when I shouldn't be feeling this way at this time in my lief... I will remain wary, and if they are really a netural group of ETs who are aware of the truths of this planet that we dont' know... good and bad... then they will understand this reaction. But they have fixed a part of me that was shattered last year, I've been seeing a lot of things lately, had dreams, even managed to ask a UFO to flash purple at me! (which it did. Twice.) At night! Alone! In the dark!

So I think for us to think we can, at this point in time, try and come up with the answers to 'Good? Bad?' or 'Do we have the right?' is something we can't fully answer yet. We don't know. We just need to remember that the most important thing is to feel love, but to question too. Faith works two ways.

So in other words Violet... We should learn all about our oceans before we explore the cosmos?

The problem I see with what you are saying Violet is that however much most of us want to 'believe' we are in touch with our selves and know our inner selves... the fact is we dont and we arent.

The example of this is:

Those who are really deeply in touch with themselves, wont need to comment on this question because they will already know their own answer.  

They will also know that others who are not as far along the path will need to explore this question, first their ego's reaction to the question and second their hearts reaction to the question.

And third, those who do really 'know themselves' will also know that there is actually a deeper, hidden meaning and purpose to the question and what it will evoke and bring out in those who choose to participate in the topic.

The initial question is the trigger that will help those who havent gone down the rabbit hole of ego control to begin if they so choose...

The problem is two things,
 
1) you can tell/remind  people where the path is, but 90% will still miss it because they didnt find it themselves, try looking at it this way, inner reflection works if you know what it is you need to pull out and reflect on.. but if you know you have to go within but have no clue as to what the deep hidden issues are that are blocking your progression forward because they are subconsious, then how do you get to them without an outside trigger that shows you .. when that trigger goes off you say to yourself.. "oohhhhh thats where that comes from, I didnt even know I really felt like that deep down inside".. then your inner reflection can start.. but you cant start if you dont have a starting line.. questions like these give people starting lines.. people have to get there before they can get to where your reminding them of.
 
and 2) is exactly what is happening now, we are not discussing the question which is actually the point of this thread. I asked this at the begining of the post...
 
<but I would ask that before you do join in that you make a commitment to be brutaly honest with yourself and ask yourself the question first, then post your answer to yourself, rather than us going back and forward at each other, this is a debate that I would like us to have with ourselves and share the answers.. >
 
So instead of us telling each other what we think they should do or what we think is the answer, the idea was to ask ourselves what our own answer to the question was and to post it, then to reflect on it.. you jumped the gun a little too early in the piece..

My answer will be as honest as I can make it.

I wouldnt know divine love if it bit me on the ass!!   Seriously, my concsious self has no clue, I only "think" I know, I assume that the feelings of earthly love will be the same as Divine Love only more intensified.. how the heck do I know that?  How do I know what is going on out in the universe?  I havent been there.. do I know anyone thats been there.. uh .. no! Unless of course Stargate counts.. which I highly doubt that it does.. so where is my point of reference for me to sit with my freinds and say what goes on out there.. the truth is that I dont have one, my ego is just making it up based on the cultural and sociological forms I have been exposed to.. the real truth of what is out there is locked away within my source.

Truth is .. I dont know what divine love feels like.. my ego thinks it does.. that is the part of me that doesnt want to admit that I am not connected to my source, that I dont listen to it enough, that I am too afraid to listen to it because what if I do and every one else thinks I am a loon? 

The brutal honest truth is what if they are manipulating me, what if they are grooming me.. how the bloody hell would I know!!!!  there is only one part of me that would know, my source self.. and oh how amazing and powerful is that core of me.. and that scares me too.. me? powerful?  crap!! Yet I know that I am, but I dont believe that I am and that makes all the difference.. and although I have worked and worked on accessing that part of me, I am still a very very long way from being connected to it.

Yes I have days of amazing intelectual insight, yes I have days where I am profound beyond my years.. yes I have moments when I am truly connected.. and I have days when I am a total nut,  but these are but flickers of moments in the string of time that is one day.. for the most part I am only wishing to be connected.. I am not connected

In those rare moments when i have the clarity of connection.. when I, for a brief nano second, touch my source... it is nothing like love that we know, it is not euphoric, it is not goose tingles all over, it is not tear jerking, heart swelling, harp playing waves of "love"..

In those moments it is silence, it is peace, it is being and it is knowing. Is this true Divine Love?

I dont know, but I do know that when I finally connect to it for that small moment, it is all i can think of getting back to. 

From what I read on all these different sites about how "wonderful" they make us feel, that is nothing like those rare few times I have actually managed to reach my true inner core of source. What they describe is more like the feelings I used to get reading a good Mills & Boons Romance Novel.

Being wrong is what I fear most.. because I know that I know the truth deep down inside me, but it is elusive & I am just not able to get there.. Yet.

In those rare moments when i have the clarity of connection.. when I, for a brief nano second, touch my source... it is nothing like love that we know, it is not euphoric, it is not goose tingles all over, it is not tear jerking, heart swelling, harp playing waves of "love"..
In those moments it is silence, it is peace, it is being and it is knowing. Is this true Divine Love?
I dont know, but I do know that when I finally connect to it for that small moment, it is all i can think of getting back to. 

-lissa

Here is how it was for me:

When I glimpsed God, on a very special day for me, I got the all encompassing feeling of "complete satisfaction". It was knowing the ultimate answer to my question and getting a definitive response.

I wouldn't mind seeing it again. But I don't pine over it for some odd reason. I feel fine knowing God is there, even if we all can't see Him.

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When an ET I call "the advisor" (a nordic) one day strolled up and asked if I wanted to feel a psychic trick that makes you feel "unconditional love". I said "sure, why not?" (more or less).

I got an immense feeling of warmth and euphoric feelings. But they all seemed very physical and emotional in nature. It was probably 200% more intense than engaging in any pleasurable experiences.

I wouldn't mind feeling that again (LOL). But she said it was an addictive experience so she didn't want to make me dependent upon it and refused to perform it again. Even though I really wouldn't mind feeling it again..

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The difference between the two is that one satisfies completely and the other will not.

One fills you up with a sound peace. And the other fills you up with a hunger to feel it again. One fills and the other makes a chasm. (maybe I am being poetically dramatic)

But....then again people do get addicted to drugs for the pleasure it brings out of them and not the drug itself which destroys their body and leaves them in shambles.

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For me, meeting my higher self is nothing extra-ordinary. It is just another part of me. It is something to engage and learn from. I don't know that it would really do much else than settle down  your heart and mind. And probably make it less "frothy".

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Lesson of the day:

[Some] ET's wear their fabric of consciousness on the outside. It envelops them. That means their feelings are projected both within and around their bodies.

Human beings usually only have it on the inside (95% of the time). Their feelings are hidden from view and are obscured by mutual disconnection from 95% of the rest of the world. If it's not on their face, it isn't known.

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Walk up to an ET and the first thing you'll notice is that their thoughts begin to encroach on yours. Your feelings on the inside begin to be affected like a radio antenna picking up a message from outside.

Some ET's have supernatural abilities and they radiate intensely around them. A few human being also emit these.

Except some of these ET come from a slightly different reality where their abilities have a purpose in their reality. When they come here, these abilities overwhelm the environment. Causing oddities in human perception and in the natural environment.

When you walk up to an ET and it is one of those that is aforemention above, they sometimes emit "light phenomena". Sometimes the radiant substance (their influence on the environment) manifests as "heat" rather than light.

You wouldn't want to touch them if thats the case. You'll probably end up burned.

You also will want to monitor your own thoughts and feelings. As their influence on the environment is so incredibly strong in some cases, that you will begin to feel strange.

Your thoughts may perhaps begin to change according to what the ET in front of you wishes it to be. Or your feelings may change.

If you see light emitting from their body....do not automatically assume that they are gods or that they are automatically benevolent. Instead behave in an educated manner. And use your brain to it's fullest and ask all the pertinent questions.

Watch your feelings and if you feel out of whack and you feel something being projected (honor, great respect, etc) into your mind that wasn't already there to begin with. Simply ask them to stop as you are aware of the type of condition you are experiencing....and it is unwelcome.
 
Stay away from the kinds of ET's who may project strong modifications into your mind and body such as the remote inducement of emotions that are not your own. (Someone Email that to blossom for gods sake)

You don't want to be treated like a dog. You don't want to be "rewarded" for good behavior by beinding to an ET's "Will". If you feel emotions in your chest, say no to the emotional inducement and demand they stop. Say something clever like "Don't do that in my polite company".

Respect yourself. Ask to be treated properly and honestly by ET's!

If you find that you have already been subjected to this kind of treatment, then be brave and smart. Ask that the ET to stop doing it to you, or ask them to not come around anymore. Your probably going to have emotional and mental withdrawal symptoms. But shake it out of your mind and body and continue on your way. Don't give in to your impulses.

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If you meet ET's who will not subject you to the common array of tricks and scams, then your very lucky indeed.

Have fun getting to know more about another culture from....wherever...they come from.

By the way, here is an account by a reader of my personal thread on OMF:

http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=research&action=display&thread=1953&page=115#170287

Look at what happens when the person mentally recognizes what I spoke of in front of the ET.

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Mar 24, 2009, 9:21pm, fore wrote:

Fore wrote:
Did anything happen?

Pontificator wrote:

I have a [ very confused ] reply much earlier in the thread with a lot of details ( best list my posts for those interested ), but essentially yes. I woke up to find a grey "looking" at me, while I was flat out, but I was really more puzzled until I realized it was leaning over from behind me, and I was looking at it upside down [ I only saw it from the top of where the nose would normally be and up ].It went out of view [ the area around the eyes moved wider, so I'm not 100% sure if I was supposed to wake up ] after about 1.7 seconds.
Anyway, I waited and did not move, mainly because I was super excited and making sure that I was not going to go lashing out or anything ridiculous [ I really don't want to hurt anything ].
Next thing I know a voice [ male ] sounds in my mind saying my name, now this voice was truely awesome as it was totally clear.

A few moments later... I kept looking up waiting for orders, not knowing it was not the grey that had spoken to me, and then it said "I am here" [ I believe that it expected me to look in its direction immediately the first time it spoke ].

So, I look to my right expecting a grey of some description, and instead I'm super puzzled when I see this glowing orange being that has these amazingly round eyes [ black ] looking in my direction [ it had had this odd notch in its brow ridge above the eye area, I've debated since whether or not it could put its eyes on stalks... ].

Now, I get this overwhelming emotion of honour when looking at this being [ for the record, until that point I have never experienced the emotion of honour, and am not sure if other people feel it as well ], but underlying to that I'm still excited and think that surely this is a projected emotion. Now, I don't know what I did but when I thought that there was a minor jolt like static in my head, as though I had clashed with it [ my suspicion was confirmed at this point ].

I reached out with my right hand, and gently held its arm, making sure not to hurt it... felt much like the surface of an orange/Buddha's hand really.

Debating what question to ask, I dismiss asking its name as Its useless as far as I'm concerned [ and it probably won't tell me anyway ], I finally settle on asking it "what are you?".

Well... now I think on it, it might have been a rather rude question, but that certainly made it look up. It replied in it's cool voice, but along with underlying meaning, "I am the penultimate human form".
At that moment I started feeling intense kinship, and quickly asked another question "and the Greys?".

It had a disappointed feeling in them, saying "They are biological/bio-mechanical machines", and indicated through other feelings that they were limited to purpose.

After that point everything went weird, I assume it gained control of me at that point and put me under. Had a flash of it standing in a corridor etc.

Now, after the first day I was going to bed and noticed some marks on my left thigh, they were very strange. Triangular in pattern one had a small scab and a small hair regrowing from it, while the other two were two holes of 2mm diameter and roughly 1.5 mm deep. Those two looked like a belly button in miniature really, as though something had plunged in pulling the skin into a pit. These were completely gone within 48 hours of the incident. I did not get a photo, and I believe I was compelled not to.

So, my conclusion is that a lot was going on, but I am not aware of it because it was buried.

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In my humble opinion it all stems from wanting something/someone to be  grander, better, or more.  If we are THE source, then how is that truly possible? What would God/Source create that was grander than it? What could control the Source of all that is? k, gotta go.

The LIGHT works in an instant....when allowed.

Violet, i welcome your input, I really do, my point in asking the question was to get people to explore the very thing you pointed out in your last post
 
<If you don't know yourself, if you don't know what influences your present life, what blocks you have, why you do what you do, feel what you feel, believe what you believe, say what you say, react the way you react, fear what you fear, trust what you trust, how are you going to react when you encounter them or future events? Will you be judgmental? fearful? terrified? or will you be centered, unblocked, trusting of your inner guidance to see what is proper of the moment? Will you be able to know if they are benevolent or have negative intentions?>
 
There are alot of people who dont know themselves, that dont know the answers to the questions you asked above, that is the point of the question, to get them thinking and searching deep down inside, to question all those things above that you just mentioned, to come to a realisation that we dont actually know why we believe something to then be able to move to a new space of complete honesty with ourselves and examine the things that we blindly follow.  Perhaps I should of asked the questions as you did, however as this forum is mainly about contact with beings from outside our galaxy, I was guided to phrase it the way I did.
 
Telling someone to go within and reflect when they dont actually know what it is they are reflecting on is giving them the main course before theyve had the entree.. I really hope you see my point.. I do see yours.. and I personally got your meaning, I know exactly what you were saying and I felt the impact of your original post.  I know also that those that are ready will get the energy behind your post.  This question was really for those on the step before yours.
 
I could of written the exact same thing, I could of just told everyone what it is they need to do to learn discernment, to be able to trust their own judgements on a day to day basis, to really go within and know themselves.. but that would only work for a few, my aim with the question was to inspire the majority to go within, I had no intention of offending you, I hope I didnt, but in my experience telling people the answer before they have even figured out the question only leads them to more confusion..
 
 

 
I could of written the exact same thing, I could of just told everyone what it is they need to do to learn discernment, to be able to trust their own judgements on a day to day basis, to really go within and know themselves.. but that would only work for a few, my aim with the question was to inspire the majority to go within, I had no intention of offending you, I hope I didnt, but in my experience telling people the answer before they have even figured out the question only leads them to more confusion..
 
 

-lissa

Yeah, I too have noticed that as well. It seems if you tell someone what they want to know, they don't actually get it unless they arrive at the conclusions themselves.

Usually when I talk to people in private, I just ask them to think about specific issues. In their own way they find for themselves that they have alot of questions underlying the main issue on their mind.

Usually it is a better course than just telling someone something. Although I have noticed that sometimes the deranged don't seem to get it...even if you spell it out for them. There are some folks who have cognitive disorders it seems.