The Bible

And why would a loving god create a bunch of rules that you can't possibly follow just to ZAP you if you dare disobey. And scare you silly with the threat of hell, fire and brimstone if you get out of line. Ridiculous!

A loving god creates out of love and if the creations behave in a loving manner - like following the golden rule - then we should be fine.

Most religions do horrible things in the name of their god or saviour - I just don't buy into that anymore.

Love is the answer, the key and all there is - pure and simple.

IMO

Peace

And where did the women come from that Cain and Able Married? I thought it was just Adam, Eve, Cain, & Able.... Unless there was some incest going on.... There are so many faults with the bible... Well.. I mean it was written over a thousand years ago.

There was some incest going on yeah, so we all are distant cousins that is why we are in sin LOL

One of the problems is that civilization is much older than we have been taught. Although the Bible has many interesting stories and I'm sure some based on factual information, since we here on this forum believe our true origins to be galactic (at least I think most of us believe that), then this pretty much discounts many of the "historical" beginnings of mankind as cited in most bibles.

If you read lots of information on Ashtar, he was supposed to have been around during biblical times and interacted with Jesus. I hesitate to mention this because I won't be able to give you a link at this moment but if you don't follow Ashtar's writings, it doesn't matter.

The point is, we've been given lots of information that isn't entirely accurate and most of it is given in the name of control and fear.

Also, the translations of the Bible always leave so much room for error and people tend to edit in the favor of the particular religion that's doing the editing.

I guess until we have First Contact and hear the truth or until we cross over into the next realm, we won't really know.

Peace.

Gee I wanted to say all that! But alas We were thinking Alike!
But I must say I feel as if I DO remember coming to Earth the First time! Actually It's the subject of my Book<"fiction"> I'm writing. I'm slowly but surely bringing the story together, I just need to get it on paper just right....
The fact that the WHOLE of the Bible was put together in pieces, cut and paste style. I Am thinking of The DaVinci Code if you have read it. A work of "fiction" but could be "non-Fiction"
The Line is So Blurred I Can't tell anymore!! Though the ideas in ALL Books have to come from somewhere....... The Truth is that Constantine and his Cronies put together writings and cut out the Importance of women! Come on?!?! NOT MARRIED JESUS? I'm sure he had Hormones as every Human  has Sexual desires. So was he married and had relations in the Godly way or do we believe he was a single man with Ladies hanging on him<you know he could have been a pimp>
But Any time I ask about this its "He was too focused on dying for our sins" But I can't believe that God would Allow Jesus To Live his Life without the Loving Embrace of another Soul to Connect with!! To even Feel the Joy of Holding a child that was half him? These are two of the MOST Important things in Life and God didn't allow him these things?
We ALL have the Spark of our Creator/Light/Love/God within. None of us Are More or Less Special.

There's a lot of things that make no sense. If Adam was alone all that time seeing the animals having sex he must of gotten excited at some point? I think he was into beastiality because he had no choice. It was a frequent pratice back then and still is today. So that's why he finally says something to the effect  'at LAST this is flesh of my flesh and bones of bones'. Incest was acceptable back then. Lot's daughter had sex with their father. I think the bible can't be trusted. It's either written by GOD or it wasn't.  Another things that bother me is, why wait until AFTER you "so call" SIN to bear children only so they could be "imperfect"? Just doesn't add up. Sooooooooooooooooooo many things add up. The Bible has good inspirational stuff but so does a lot of other books.

From the beginning the bible doesn't make sense. Why wouldn't you create Man with a partner to begin with? If you created all creatures with a counterpart why not one for man? That's just one of many "it doesn't make sense" issues.

-liumingke

You still give me bad feelings. You mock and scorn and use fear tactics with the fol, and now this?

From what I gathered from the bible, there MUST have been other humans outside. Adam's son, for example, was exiled and left to wander with a mark 'so all would know', suggesting that Adam's family was not alone. I believe that Adam wasn't the FIRST human, rather, he was the FIRST human to take after God in a particular way. Perhaps soul, spiritality? Evolution? And so he was treasured and kept safe in paradice for his uniqueness, for he was the first of us. It almost seems like God 'cloned' the part of him that he wanted, using Adam's rib, creating a second of us of a female sort. Adam and Eve, the first two of what we are today to exist.

Not for nothing Corynder, that makes NO SENSE.

Makes plenty of sense. Humans have been around a long long time,but who's to say we were always the same as we are now? Adam could have been the first homo sapien... in other words, the first human as we are now.
Or 'In his image' doesn't have to mean physical. There may have been something unique about Adam that was not a physical trait.  A soul?
He was the first MAN, the first in God's image, but that doesn't mean he was the first human.
If his son was exiled to walk the lands marked, so all could see his mark from God, that suggests that there were other humans outside besides Adam and Eve's family.

I actually believe what corynder is saying. I believe that we are a product of  gene enhancement because the 'Humans' that were here before homosapiens didn't look like us and it is documented that homosapiens killed off the other lesser sapiens... but, what caused the evolution of the two was gene enhancement from the paleidians. You guys should check out www.lawofone.com Adam and Eve weren't the first 'people' to be here... we were basically breed to be smarter and stronger and wiser so we could be workers for those in control of us. Which is why we are STILL in control of the people that control everything. Religion, money, and government are our gods now... seems like they are always two steps ahead of all of us which is why we bicker over religion, money, or government (politics)... I guess we can't just seems to see the real picture of the inner workings of what we call life and what has been taught to us.

Bottom line is that we are here now dealing with what we have now and who is here now at this moment.. so what are we going to do to mainifest our future? Some issues will be debated forever and ever because of our free will and our point of view which is basically everything we have been taught or learned by way of experiences on a personal level. Different variables that molded our perspective so much that right and wrong can be debated forever with both parities right and worng at the same time... What i'm saying is WHERE are we as Humans going? And what are we going to do about manifesting our future? Should we bicker about the same old bickerings? Or should we instead start to talk about solutions of oour problems and situations and how to deal with them?

Seems to me that the Bible isn't from GOD if it's full of lies no? If it is written by GOD as some claim then it should be protected by him so as not to contain lies. If he is almighty then he can protect it from it being altered no? For years I never realized how full of "makes no sense" stories are in the Bible. Open your eyes people.

How is it full of lies? It is what it is, and it will be read the way you want it to be read. Simple as that.

...why shouldn't I talk up to a Jew or a Muslim and say 'This is what I believe, this is what I don't agree about with your religion, what about you?' and talk it out? Why shouldn't I approach someone with different political views and talk about that? Or someone who's richer or poorer than me?

Who decided that we should never talk about money, politics or religion?

Talking things out improves a situation, it doesn't make it worse. And yes, there ARE bad feelings at the start, and anger, and heated discussion, but like all disagreements, that passes. Why can't we talk this out with each other instead of keeping it bottled up? Our feelings on these subjects explode in bad bad bad ways.... and though we say 'don't bottle things up', we do for these subjects. Why can't we discuss them?

Are we GOD's pets? Are we here to amuse our creator(s)? If GOD exists with myrids of Angels why create us in the first place, so we can worship him? Why create species that are lower than the angels? Does GOD needs us to worship him? Why? See it doesn't make sense. Are we his play things? I'm more inclined to believe others theories that have been circulating about Planet Nibiru or Planet X.

We can't blame God for what we all are exclusively responsible for and mostly because the image that has been sold to us has always been of a God that is jealous, vendictive, Egocentrist, etc.

That is not God.. that is the God the churches sold to us to control us and manipulate us so they could enslave us through fear and despair.

I used to think like you, but now that I took the time to investigate what really was happening I learned the truth and now more than ever I believe in him.

Take some time my friend and search around.. Find out what the early church was the beginning of all our pains and sorrows and what happened afterwards.

Do you want your children to be damned for eternity? would you do that to one of your childs?.. no right? well God wouldn't either... and having such low feelings would make him as imperfect as us... Doesn't that ring a bell for you?... it is all a lie ... a complete farse.

Please do some research ... you will be amazed with what you find hun

My point is, maybe there is No god as we have been brainwash to believe. Yes even YOU Vigusa! What if there is NO GOD as we have been taught and it is just a superior race that made ALL this for their benefit? When you are brainwash you just can't all of a sudden be unbrainwash even if you want to. It doesn't work that way.

"Do you want your children to be damned for eternity? would you do that to one of your childs?.. no right? well God wouldn't either... and having such low feelings would make him as imperfect as us... Doesn't that ring a bell for you?... it is all a lie ... a complete farse."

You are brainwash hun! That's just the fact. I'm not saying that it's a bad thing to believe in a GOD if it gets you through life and makes you strong but even if you DON'T believe in a god you can be happy as well. The bible is supposely the word of GOD as I'm merely pointing out that it can't be given so many inconsistences.

Interesting read: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread304553/pg1

There are many people who have died and come back with a consistent message that God is there, that He does love us, that He doesn't want us to be damned, and that He is in deep pain because of it.  Some have come back and said that the Bible is a good teaching tool and is the word of God, but it is not perfect.

And some have come back with clear pictures of Hell and demons who enslave the spirits of humanity in ways that makes even the bravest person a bit scared.  You have no power in Hell, it's not a movie.  They own it, they control it, and the only thing they care about is making their souls a living Hell.

Don't quote me, go ask them, the ones who have died and come back.  They tell their story every where and beg people to understand, but it's like the Bible says, even if the dead came back, no one would believe them.  No one has ever died and come back and said they went to a land of elves and fairies where chocolate bunnies roamed fields of candy canes, and if it was all in our heads, you can dang well bet we'd get at least some stories like that.  No, the message is consistent.

So the question is really, what if God is all true, and you are the one being deceived Illumingke? 

I wish I had all the answers to why the Bible has some discrepancies in it.  The only thing I can say is that I do believe it is the word of God, but it has to be expressed in human terms, and that leaves the door open for error.  As for some of the things you've discussed, well, most of your problems come from the Old Testament, and Jesus said that it and the Law was given to the Jews because they were a hard headed nation.  No one who follows Jesus and His teachings would ever stone their children, because Jesus was very kind to them. 

Yeah, we pick and chose, as do you.  You pick and chose what information you want to believe in, and it's clear you've chosen to disregard the Bible as fantasy.  Such is your choice to pick what you want to believe in and throw out that which you don't.  There is a ton of it out there, and Satan is working overtime putting all kinds of misinformation out there now.  For me, I see a consistent message across the last 2000 years of human history, that there is a reason that Jesus was the one true messiah who's message rose to the top even though many claimed to be the messiah.  It is not fairy tale.  It is not false history.  It is consistent, and the ones who are engaging in rewriting history are the ones attacking Christ now.  No one doubts the existence of Julius Caesar, but Jesus somehow is a myth.

Again, you pick and chose what you want to believe, but as for me, I believe in Jesus Christ, son of the Father, and the Holy Spirit entwined with them to nourish our souls.

The inconsistencies in the Bible aren't God's doing... There were too many factors that allowed the tampering of it.
 
First one is that it was given on word of mouth so you know the game of Paul told Johnny bring me a coffee and Johnny told Andres to bring a cafe late to Paul with sugar.
 
The fact that they were held slaves in made the Bible be influenced by the Egyptians so many things taht were practiced in they adopted as word of God.
 
The other factor is that before any of this happened the Sumerians’ creeds where what was predominant, so many things were adopted from them.. There you have Horus... The eye that sees it all... etc.
 
After that while in Babylonia (Nowadays ) they adopted too many things from the philistines who were like all the others pagans.
 
Jesus teachings were completely different than those taught today. (I will elaborate further below)
 
The scrolls found in the show this.
 
Mary Magdalene, Peter, Judas, etc had another version of the teachings of Jesus which seem to be more oriented to the Celtics religion and the Gnostics.
 
I watched a video of a History professor who followed the genealogy of Jesus until the times of David because he was trying to find out who the Kings of Europe had descended from.
 
He had access to the 's library and could access all the forbidden books they had.
 
There he found that there were 2 branches of the founders of , one that came from David and the other from someone else... One of the 12 tribes that were with Moses... I think it was Dan... That is why there is a place called which means the
 
As God told David that all his descendants would reign over the earth then all of them had the birth right to the crowns as per divine mandate (so they say).
 
The thing is that all of them ended up populating Earth and the current royal family from the is supposed to be the legitimate descendant of David.
 
However, the fact is that Jesus had 5 siblings out of which one was his twin (Pail), and he had 2 wives.. Mary Magdalene and Mary Bethany, with whom he had 3 children, and they are the real direct descendants of David's lineage.
 
Mary is the branch of the family that comes from David.
 
So now we got to go back to what happened after Jesus supposedly died.
 
The truth is that Jesus did not die... They were teaching the gospels everywhere, including Jesus.
 
There are two theories on how the Christian religion was really formed.
 
The first one talks about losing his grip over the empire and finding in Christianity a way to control the masses ... So he told all his priests to make him a religion based on Christianity.
 
The other talks about 's mother having converted to Christianity and bugging to death to get him to adopt in all the empire this religion.
 
In either case the result was a religion based in false doctrines to control and manipulate people.
 
But the change was too much for them and he decided to keep a few things from his pagan religion... like adoring the sun on Sundays, adoring and worshipping idols, images, etc.
 
Everything related to Christianity was a lie... the guy that was born from a poor family and performed miracles, was extremely wise, died in the cross, was born from a virgin mother, etc was an invention.  Everything was a lie.
 
The real teachings of Jesus were based on the Christ but as a global consciousness to be able to accept the Holy Spirit and be one with God, therefore obtain the eternal life we all want. He also taught the infinite love of God for his children and that we all were His children.  That is why he used to say he was the son of God as we all are.
 
So the New Testament is mostly an invention from greedy people that used it to enslave us all for centuries, and the secret had to be well kept.
 
For this most of the early and later family of Jesus was erased from the Bible... as well as all of Jesus life when he was a child.  Remember Jesus was supposedly dead.
 
They needed to control the masses by fear through an unjust God, by guilt through a savior that was tortured and died for us, True submission by putting the other cheek when stoke, etc. 
 
The Bishop that was the first Head Christianity was a descendant from Jesus directly so that is why the first 2 centuries the religion was not changed... Later elected his own Bishop and put him as the head of the church and it is when the greatest lie started.  Furthermore this is the reason why we don't know much about the first 3 centuries of Christianity.
 
Jesus descendants can now be traced down to several Royal families in . During the middle ages these families killed each other to control the thrones.
 
All of them are family... ALL ... They would marry among each other just to preserve the throne with pure blood.
 
That is also the reason why so many injustices from the Catholic Church, so many massacres of innocent people, etc.
 
The real purpose of the inquisition was to kill all the heretics (non believers of the Catholic Church) including Jews to keep all their possessions and their gold/silver/money, but also to get rid of them and their doctrines..
 
If you are contemporary with me then you will remember that it wasn't until the 1950's that the Bible was allowed to be read by the followers of the church... Before that it was forbidden with a penalty of excommunication.  Them around the 1970's it was first translated to other languages... This is referred only to the Catholic Church.
 
The Royal families know about this... But in the very few know of this... the conspirators and the ones in charge of maintaining the conspiracy like the Jesuits, etc.
 
So at last what Jesus came to teach us was just basically that God was all love, that he loved us, that there was no eternal damnation, how to become like Jesus by studying what we all have been learning about the kundalini, the higher self, communication with our guides etc.
 
As Christianity was actually formed by the Romans they were basically pagans and practiced polytheism.. And many of the priests were from which brought with them the Sumerian believes and Gods. That is why you find so many things from in the like the Obelisk, or the symbols that the church has all over... Worshipping of Gaia etc.
 
So what I can tell you is this... For me all this is what really happened because it really makes sense and in a personal level it makes a lot of sense and explains many things.
 
Why God did not stop them? ... we all have free will and as per the laws of the Universe He can't intervene.
 
Death is just a transition and if we see it like that and we know what is after death then death becomes just a step in life where the afterwards is way better. So we should be celebrating when we die and not crying for the people we lost, because it is not the end.
 
Still we must learn to be compassionate and to become One so we can be part of the Oneness of God that is the maximum and ultimate realization for us.
 
On another token I would like to add too that I do know that God exists because of my after death experiences and because I should have been dead since I was 15 months old and here I am... bugging you with my nonsense LOL!!!
 
Peace is with you my friend :)))